It was a really fun time where I felt like I connected to my queerness a lot and got to really explore that a lot more.
K Anderson 00:08
Hello, I am K Anderson and you are listening to lost spaces, the podcast that mourns the death of queer nightlife. Every episode I talk to a different person about a venue from their past the memories that they created there and the people that they used to know. This week I am talking to Seth, no last name, just Seth, who is the former co host of the thanks for coming podcast, which recap episodes of ripples drag race whilst also covering queer pop culture. And I say former because they stopped making the show, not because they kicked Seth off, I promise. Having lived in LA for a few years, Seth moved back to his college town of Bloomington, Indiana, where he had that really weird sensation of everything being super familiar, but also slightly different, and disorienting. And here, he took the time and space to figure out his next moves. And it was at this time that the gay bar uncle Elizabeth’s became so important to him, and helped him become more confident in his own queerness. Now, before we get into it, I need to let you know that I kind of bully Seth a little bit in this episode. I don’t really know what came over me. But I became somewhat determined to convince him to become a drag queen and to have sex in public. So sorry about that, Seth? Shall we Shall we find out how successful I was?
This was actually like a really fun period in my life, because for the first time, my whole friend group was like, basically all gay people are like queer people.
K Anderson 02:20
And that’s a good thing, right? Yeah,
I love you can like be yourself and you don’t have to like code switch and how you speak with other people and stuff like that, like with straight people or older people that don’t know. I don’t know how much you like tech. Yeah. So it’s really nice to be able to talk freely about gay things and gay topics and that sort of thing and, and not feel judged.
K Anderson 02:44
But do you not find that it becomes a bit of a like an echo chamber?
In what way?
K Anderson 02:49
Well, when like, the only people you talk to are gay or queer. It becomes about like, to, to gay.
Is there such a thing as too gay?
K Anderson 03:01
I think I might pay.
I’m not I’m not sure what
K Anderson 03:05
Okay, but what about like a unicorn puking rainbows while wearing a jock strap?
And listening to Lady Gaga is chromatica.
K Anderson 03:16
Yeah, yeah. Like surely that’s okay. No,
I would love that. That sounds fine.
K Anderson 03:23
Okay, but what if, like, what if the glitter gets stuck on you and you can’t get it off?
That’s fine. I went to I went to Rocky Horror Picture Show screening out you I would go there and they just like throw glitter all over you.
K Anderson 03:37
That should be an offence. I
think I didn’t mind it. It felt kind of fun and fabulous. I didn’t like
K Anderson 03:43
like, like waking up the next day and being like, Well, how did this get? But anyway, like, let’s let’s not ponder on that. The friends. You’re talking about your gay circle of friends?
Yes. For me, I really enjoyed it. Because I always mainly hung out with like, mostly heterosexual cis people. And so it was really fun to me, because I also really enjoy the atmosphere of Uncle Elizabeth’s because it wasn’t like, like a big club environment. It was like so chill. And you know, they would have boys on poles night.
K Anderson 04:20
And just to clarify these poles, not Polish people.
Right, exactly. Yes, steel, steel rods. It was interesting because a lot of the guys that would dance. Those nights were actually straight guys.
K Anderson 04:37
I’ve actually just recently had a conversation about this. Shall we talk about straight strippers and gay bars?
We can sure what are your thoughts? I mean, as long as they’re being friendly, like I don’t have a problem.
K Anderson 04:50
But okay, more broadly. Are you one of those gays? Sorry… Are you Are you one of those gays?
That did it?
K Anderson 05:04
That fancy straight men?
I’m not really okay. Do you mean like, like, they mainly like pursue straight men?
K Anderson 05:10
Yeah, like this whole thing about straight man. I can’t wrap my head. Yeah,
I’ve been with a few straight identifying men before, but it wasn’t like I was seeking them out.
K Anderson 05:21
But it’s just so much energy.
What do you mean?
K Anderson 05:24
Well, like in the chase, first of all, there’s so much energy in like, you don’t even fancy my gender. Like, I just don’t, I can’t get my head around why that’s appealing to like, throw yourself at someone who’s really not interested. And then even if you’ve got over that hurdle, then there’s all the like, shame that they then feel after you like do something as innocent as OBJ.
How do you know that you feel shame? are you projecting? No.
K Anderson 05:56
I don’t think I don’t think I’ve ever had sex with a straight person. But I’ve had sex with people who were like, not comfortable with their sexuality.
They were like, quote, unquote, curious or something like that. Yeah.
K Anderson 06:09
Or maybe they like accepted that they were gay. But they were still seeped in shame. I see. And, like, maybe hadn’t really had any gay experiences. And have you ever had heterosexual experiences in the past? And even that was just like, ah, like, would you just get over this? I’m so sympathetic, as you can tell, but like, even though it’s just like this. Like, you do not have to feel bad about this.
Yeah. I mean, I don’t really pursue the straight man. I can be a little bit, make my little flirty comments here and there. And then at that point, it’s up to them to make the move. So I’m not like trying to take advantage of like straight men.
K Anderson 06:48
Okay, okay. Right. So Sorry, I interrupted you. So you were talking about the nights they had their men on poles?
Yes. There were men on poles. There was a karaoke night. There was a drag king night. And there was a drag queens a lot. I’m mostly trying to remember I think they were like, mostly on Fridays, or Saturdays were drag queens, but like boys on pole was like a weeknight activity.
K Anderson 07:16
So let’s have a chat about drag. Yes, I have a feeling that you might be a bit of a fan of drag, just to me, because you know, yeah, just you know, you might have had a podcast all about drag race and the various offshoots,
and I’ve seen a couple episodes.
K Anderson 07:36
What I’m like What got you into drag?
To be honest, this bar, the bar is where I fell in love with drag. That was always my favourite thing is to watch drag shows. Watch the drag queens.
K Anderson 07:47
What was it about the shows that you enjoyed? I liked the music.
I liked how confident they were as people that felt good to me because I have mostly been in non confident person. So to see someone that felt confident at peace and comfortable in their skin was always just like really appealing to me.
K Anderson 08:09
Did you ever explore drag yourself?
I have not. I’ve been told that I would make a great drag queen, but I’m simply too lazy to learn how to do makeup. I have been putting makeup before though.
K Anderson 08:22
Okay, so you were putting makeup or you put in like the full shebang or just makeup just make
up the I was just with a group of friends. And we were drinking and I was drunk. And it was like 9am. And they were like, oh, let’s do your makeup. I was like, Alright, cool. And then like, I think they maybe started like, let me put eyeliner on you. And it just kind of like progressed into like a full look. But yeah, I mean, I have no problem wearing makeup. It’s fine. I wear nail polish and eyeliner a lot in college because I was like an emo kid.
K Anderson 08:53
And so how far down did your fringe go?
Oh, yeah, it was pretty far down. Yeah. And I had like a black hair, blonde hair. I had a green and black hair at one time. I had, I think I did. Blonde at the roots and black on the ends. And so then like as it grew out, like we even got the third natural hair colour in there. So it was like a little Calico look that I thought looked nice.
K Anderson 09:22
Oh, yeah. And it’s really interesting to hear you say and it’s resonating with me. This thing about being attracted to the confidence that means exhibited, because of your own. And confidence, which I don’t write is actually a word, but it is now because we’ve used it so we’re stamping out Yeah, yeah. And I feel like you know, I’ve never been to a super competent person. But I’ve also never been interested in doing drag like I’ve never felt like oh, yeah, that’s a way that I can find confidence.
Yeah, I honestly At 37 years old, if I were to be able to like go back to like graduating at the time, like graduating college, like I should have just started doing drag at that point because my only valuable skills are throwing shade and being kind of funny. So
K Anderson 10:17
lip synching Oh, I love you good at it. They’re
in my mind and in my the privacy of my home. I’ve had no one ever complained when I’ve lip synced in my own home alone.
K Anderson 10:28
Oh, okay. Well, then thing you should be on Season 15. Definitely.
Yeah, I’ll send
K Anderson 10:35
you. So okay. Are you being a bit ageist here to yourself?
Well, I mean, I could start drag now of course, but, you know, I would want to have started like building my name and stuff back at a younger age. So at this point, I could be more successful.
K Anderson 10:52
But there Okay, so it’s not because of the love of it. It’s just like purely a business decision. Does that what you mean?
No, no, I mean, I love doing I love drag. I would love to do drag. I am old and lazy now is I guess maybe what I’m trying to say. And I can’t move the way that I used to be able to move.
K Anderson 11:12
Oh, okay. But promise me that you will consider buying a wig. And just when your lip synching in your house, you’ll try it on and I already have one. Yes. Oh, okay. Well, then why don’t why are you not? I already have
one and I already have dresses? It’s fine. It’s fine. Girl. I got the whole setup. Except for an Omega sir. With
K Anderson 11:33
a why, like, Why do I don’t know why I’m trying to convince you to become a drag queen. But
I don’t know. Yeah, I just um, it’s mostly just I don’t know. I mean, I’m not very good at makeup. And I think that’s probably like, the main thing that holds me back.
K Anderson 11:52
So how are you going to get better at doing makeup? I’m sorry. Oh, sorry. I’m trying to like push you to somewhere where you’re not even interested in going. And
that’s why I started a podcast about drag race so that I could be funny. And shady, but I don’t have to put makeup on.
K Anderson 12:13
But you could get like a skin mask that’s already made up?
Like a full makeup look on on a face mask?
K Anderson 12:21
I’ll be fine. I’ll be down for that. Does that I can just pull it over and I’m ready to go. You know?
K Anderson 12:27
Exactly. Yeah, that would be amazing. See, that’s that’s just why you have to
respect the drag queens more because they actually have the drive and patience to do their makeup the way I was all right. Whereas I’m just like, I just want to be funny. I don’t know.
K Anderson 12:41
That annoying thing. Like when you get into drag, you have to then be in drag for a long, seven hours. And yeah, it could be bothered.
Right? Exactly. I would not want to talk are like I don’t know, it just would you know, and standing Hills for six hours. Like I would probably just want to on a live myself. Yeah, it would hurt so bad.
K Anderson 13:05
But you know, the other thing about people who say that wearing high heels, like makes them feel a certain way. Maybe there’s something about that.
I mean, I love wearing a boot like even just, you know, like just like an address boot basically, like, you know, you get like the little bit of incline. But it’s not like the steep incline of a high heel. I just like I like hearing it. The noises like when you walk across the floor, and like click Clap, clap. It just makes me feel powerful. So I can only imagine wearing heels. Like it’s probably even more than that more, more of a confidence boost.
K Anderson 13:41
Yeah. Unless you can’t walk in them, then like it’s the total opposite. Yeah, that would be bad. But talking about this unconfident thing. Yes. And drag. Yes. And not wanting to do it. Don’t think I actually have a question here.
You’re still just trying to figure out how to get me to do drag, aren’t you? No,
K Anderson 14:05
no, I think I think what I wanted to talk about is confidence. Sure. This whole show is about spaces. Okay. And oftentimes we talk about how those are safe spaces and community spaces, and places where you get to explore who you are, and you get to feel comfortable. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re going to feel confident. And sometimes being around those people means that you put an additional pressure on yourself, right?
I guess so. I think I understand what you’re talking about. It’s, you know, I definitely went there and felt comfortable to be in the space and to be at Uncle Elizabeth’s, but like, I still felt maybe not a lot of confidence to like approach guys to talk to them.
K Anderson 14:58
And did you ever Find that confidence. Um, no. So you don’t have any tips for me? No,
I am not very, very confident when it comes to talking with guys. So that’s like definitely a hold back or whatever you want to say, however you want to call it.
K Anderson 15:17
Would you just wait for them to talk to you? Preferably? And so would you just like lean up against the bar that came? coquettish? Yeah, I
just leaned against the bar, but my bosoms on the bar, the bar ledge or whatever you call it, Archer back and just, you know, present what’s going on?
K Anderson 15:36
But not really, right.
No, no. An ideal world I would feel competent to do that be a no and honestly, like, I don’t know, maybe this is too meta and too deep to get into. But it’s like, I just feel like as queer people we grow up being not accepted. And and, you know, insulted and made to believe that we’re less than, so that once we’re like adults and stuff, we still carry all that hurt with us. So then it’s like, hard to like, put yourself out there even to talk to another guy to see if they would be interested in you.
K Anderson 16:04
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, the thing that got me like, over that hump,
was sleeping with lots of men.
K Anderson 16:12
Were Sleeping with lots of men. Yeah, it’s not just that, like, it’s not just sleeping with lots of men. So in my early 20s, it’s like for most of my 20s, I was like, I had this very heteronormative thinking about sex and about relationships and how it’s like, I’m waiting for the one or I’m waiting for like a good, meaty, emotional, something relationship. No, no. I wasn’t meaning that when he said, meaty, my bed. And then like, I got to a point where I was like, Well, I’m not in a relationship. I’m not having lots of sex. So like, this is pointless. I may as well do one of the two of these things. So it’s right to be the sex, I want to experience more sex, I’m going to go out and have more sex. And that’s when like, I started going to saunas and sex clubs and things like that. And, like, the whole culture around those sold, like a whole other topic, but getting to the point where I was like, Alright, I’m here for sex. So I’m gonna have sex tonight. Having having to push myself and having to approach people and having to be turned down and having to just be like, Oh, well, and moving on to the next person. And then the next and then the next and then the next and then the next. And then finally hitting hitting it out of the park. That so taught me so much about just doing
Yeah, I mean, a part to me. Yeah, I can see how that would be like, definitely, like a lot of like, good practice and stuff like that for approaching people.
K Anderson 17:46
Yeah, cuz you just get you just get so much rejection, and it’s just so good for you.
Right? Well, that’s the thing is like, for me, like I’ve never been to those environments strictly because I just assumed that if I were to go there, everyone will look like me. Like, I was like, a clown in the corner, like the sideshow act or something. And just nothing would happen the whole night.
K Anderson 18:06
Yeah, I get that. Like, that’s, that’s how I felt. So yeah,
so I haven’t I haven’t like been confident enough to go to those types of places. Hmm.
K Anderson 18:15
Okay, so the next thing I’m going to be trying to talk you into doing
getting raw dogged in a sauna?
K Anderson 18:24
Well, yeah, I didn’t know I didn’t really like someone is to be honest. They’re a bit boring. And like everyone just looking at each other.
No one talks. Yeah, it’s a lot of I. I’m linked language.
K Anderson 18:37
Well, it’s this whole fair, like, I mean, I may just be a person whose standards are very low, but I’m like, you’re good enough. Let’s go. But there’s lots of people in saunas who are like, No, I’m waiting for the perfect person to come through the doors. And it’s like, Firefox. He
only has a six pack. I’m
K Anderson 18:52
waiting for the eight pack. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That’s it. Yeah. It’s like I just, I just, I’m just not into that. So I think it’s probably better for you to go to like some dark woods somewhere.
K Anderson 19:08
No, just you know, is
there a witch in the woods that it’s gonna kill me?
K Anderson 19:11
No, just like this. There’s men on their lunch breaks who were like, Oh, I get off pretty quickly. So Oh, yep. You’ll do? Yeah, not me saying
no, I understand my place I understand. I get it
K Anderson 19:28
does know what I’m saying.
I mean, I didn’t lose my virginity, I think until I was like 22 I would say oh, that’s not bad. So from that point, you know, moving through life like I just found myself basically just like doing hookups and like the whole grinder thing for a while and then within the last like, five or six years or something, maybe even longer than that. I don’t know. It’s just really lot like hookups have really like lost its appeal to me. I would just much prefer like to be in a relationship with somebody because as someone with anxiety, like, I feel like it would be a more fun pleasurable experience to sleep with someone you’re comfortable with. But I have not experienced that. So I don’t know. But then you’d get bored. I don’t think I would. Yeah, you I always seek acceptance. So having someone there to tell me that I’m great would just be like an awesome addition to my life. Hmm.
K Anderson 20:26
I didn’t. It’s not for you. I didn’t know you know what people are like human beings. They’re just a bit. Yeah, they’re a bit annoying. After a while.
I don’t know. You know, I’m a very independent person, too. So like, maybe if I ever did find someone that wanted to be in a relationship with me, then maybe I would get bored. I don’t know. It’s hard to say. But in, you know, in my fantastical mind, I imagine having a lovely experience with an individual on a regular basis.
K Anderson 20:54
Yeah, but the reality is just hard work. I think.
Just too hard. I don’t know. I’m easy. easygoing person. I hate man. Oh, my God. Like I hate men. And I’m doing drag.
K Anderson 21:09
Good, good. Yeah, this is where I’m trying to indoctrinate you to accomplish a lot in this interview. So okay, we went off topic. We were talking about the group of friends, I think, yes. Where we were at?
Probably. Yeah, I don’t know, I really enjoyed having a group of gay friends. It was really nice to be able to just have like, a core group of people to count on. Yeah, it was fun, you know, and then sometimes there would just be house parties. Like we would pregame by having like game night, and then like, just people start showing up and then, you know, people are naked in the hot tub. And yeah,
K Anderson 21:45
was there any like drama amongst the friend group, anyone that fancied or hooked up or broken another person’s heart?
Yeah, there was, um, a couple that was were open. And I think one of the people like would kind of get involved with someone. And like, I think they wanted to be more like, I don’t know what that’s called like, polyamorous. No, because it wasn’t it wasn’t like all three would be together. It would be like the two main people and then him and the other new person.
K Anderson 22:16
From within the friend group, though. Yes. Oh, that gets messy quickly.
Yeah. So I think that, you know, then the original partners like, well, what the heck, like, why are you so lovey dovey with this other person? Like, I’m supposed to be the main person and see, and this is why I would not want to open relationship because it’s already too much work to be in a relationship. Like, I can’t have extraneous factors going on.
K Anderson 22:43
But no, I mean, I think it’s fine to be in an open relationship, or, like, just Oh, yeah, like, just don’t do things in front of me. Like cuz that’s, even if you’re not jealous. It’s just a bit like, Oh, God.
I mean, I have no problem with people that want to be in open relationships. Like or if you want to be polyamorous, that’s fine. I it’s just not something that I can do because my brain is limited.
K Anderson 23:05
Okay. But like, going back to what I said before, when you get to the point where you’re just bored of your partner, you’ll change your mind.
Okay. I mean, maybe we will come back and do this again. And like, change
K Anderson 23:19
my little checklist like so. Are you a drag queen now? Good relationship. Good. Good. Have you been to the sauna? Have you been to the woods? Yeah, okay.
Yeah. Have you ever hooked up with a weirdo? Oh, I
K Anderson 23:29
love checking things off lists. That’s like one. Have you ever hooked up with someone
that didn’t seem totally human? I don’t know.
K Anderson 23:35
Wait, what is that recorded? Please say?
Well, I just imagined myself in the woods like getting banged by like, like a half demon or an elk or something. Okay. Yeah. No. Like, Let’s not get crazy. We need to change the topic.
K Anderson 23:50
Maybe, maybe. Um, so let’s stay out of the woods for now.
Yeah, I think it would be happier not having sex in the woods. Well, I’d be okay, fine. I’ll do it. You talk me into it. It’s
K Anderson 24:04
just like this. Just something about the experience. You know, there’s the wind whipping through your hair. There’s the thrill of potentially being caught, you know, I think
K Anderson 24:17
Yes. Yes. Coming away with a rash on your ding dong.
That’d be fun.
K Anderson 24:22
It’s a life experience that everyone should have.
It’s like yeah, you got poison ivy but you also got to have sex in the woods. Exactly. Exactly. I’m seeing I’m seeing the appeal now. dirt under your fingernails and yeah, you feel one with nature. Yes.
K Anderson 24:36
That Yes. That’s what I’m trying to get at. You’re communing with nature. And yeah, orgasming
with it and well, and you plant your seed like you would in nature, you know, okay. All right. Well, that’s a bit on the nerves. Okay, sorry. I just took it right there.
K Anderson 24:53
But okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait till we’re leaving. The words we are not talking about the words again. Okay. until I get distracted and decide to text back then let’s go to Uncle Elizabeth’s. Okay. So when I was like, Hey, let’s have this conversation. Let’s talk about a last space. Why was Uncle Elizabeth’s the one? The one for you?
I mean, I loved going there. I just felt so comfortable being there. You know, once my one of my friends started bartending there, it was nice to be able to like, you know, get like a little shot here x, you know, that you’re not really paying for
K Anderson 25:32
seriously alcohol. That’s was basically
yes, that was cool. I was also like, I don’t know that maybe this is normal. But I was also super like, on the download, like trying to save money. So I would, you would get those like little $1 bottle shots, I would just like put them in my pocket or my coat pocket or something and bring them in. And then I would like lure people out there to out into the, into the patio to do shots with me.
K Anderson 25:55
Maybe didn’t say lower people. Like
it says innocent. We’re just drinking.
K Anderson 26:01
No, of course. But as soon as you said lower, I was like, Oh, hang on what?
It’s like, you know, you put the little bottle in front of them and get somebody on the treadmill.
K Anderson 26:11
Do you want? Yeah, it’s like that. I’m out here and have a drink with me. Yeah. And it was really
fun. Sorry if it sounded creepy.
K Anderson 26:20
But so are you the reason that they closed down because they weren’t selling any alcohol?
Yeah, well, I was drinking underage. Oh, yeah, I’m just kidding.
K Anderson 26:31
21 thing that I always get confused about?
I don’t know, I haven’t gotten there yet in my life. But yeah,
K Anderson 26:37
wait, you’ve already said your age. So I can’t cycle back on that.
No, I have a close down. Because I’m not exactly sure. I think it may have been something to do with financial situation. Maybe it just started like getting less and less busy. I’m not too sure.
K Anderson 26:55
So what was going on in your life at this time? So you said you just move back to Indiana, you were going to the five nights a week. I don’t know why I said five nights. You said every night. You’re going to the club just about every night and just about every night. Like what else was going on?
Oh, not much, really. And that was just it just hanging. Hanging out with my friends and drinking. Yeah, it was just a really fun time. And it was, it was a really fun time where I felt like I connected to my queerness a lot and got to really explore that a lot more.
K Anderson 27:27
And so you didn’t explore that. NLA Hmm,
not I don’t know. I mean, I would go to go to the bars. Sometimes I
K Anderson 27:36
do. But so then why were you not?
Why was I not generally accepted by the gay community in Los Angeles?
K Anderson 27:43
Well, I was gonna ask like, why did he not explore your queerness? More there? But yeah,
because Los Angeles is a very superficial town. Even more so than just you know, like being in Bloomington, Indiana. So it’s very much about looks, your job or whatever your social standing in the, in the community there.
K Anderson 28:07
And so did it just feel like fuck my drag?
Yeah, basically. I mean, why? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I felt that way just about being queer. A lot of my life just as someone who has generally been overweight and struggled with that, and not been accepted by the community. You know, growing up, I was into like punk rock music and pop punk and stuff like that. And not Madonna.
K Anderson 28:31
So just, I just want to say for the record, you can be into birth.
Oh, well, I am now. But like growing up, I thought being into punk music meant you could only listen to punk music.
K Anderson 28:43
Yeah. Isn’t that interesting? pigeonhole ourselves sometimes?
Yeah. But then I grew up and I was like, Oh, well, no, Lady Gaga is punk.
K Anderson 28:51
Wow, I didn’t know about.
I do. Really? I think so. Well, like early Gaga. Like she’s kind of like evolved a little bit different within like Joanne and chromatica. I like Joey I don’t know slander on joey. Oh, come
K Anderson 29:06
on. What’s it so good? Is it million reasons?
million reasons. It’s one of my least favourite songs. Okay, well, that’s awful. That is Oh, although I went we went and saw her in Vegas at her residency, her Enigma show. And for some reason, I was like, super. I was like, really emotional during that song when she performed it. So it’s like, kind of hit or miss for me.
K Anderson 29:28
Were you just dehydrated?
No, I’m a Pinot Grigio girl.
K Anderson 29:35
Right. What did Uncle Elizabeth’s teach you about yourself?
Um, it really well. It allowed me to space to make a whole like tight knit group of gay friends and allies. And it was really nice to be able to have that moment because it just really, I felt like I could be myself. I felt more confident in my queerness and And I became more like, oh, yeah, like, um, I don’t know what I’m trying to say. More out there. I guess maybe that’s what I’m trying to say.
K Anderson 30:09
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